Not too long ago, a local gamer posted on our forum that he would be interested in painting some figures in exchange for more models. You might remember Cole from some of his posts here on the blog, or from his own (despite it not being updated since 2010). He’s a pretty good painter with a penchant for burning through models relatively quickly, and I think he’s trying not to waste money on Warhammer, so the idea of trading for something he can churn out relatively easily, is something that appeals to him.
Of course, his offer to paint wasn’t targeted at me, but I made a snarky comment about my hoard of goblins. When he didn’t scoff—despite having a rough idea of just how many figures I had kicking around, we started talking.
Which leads us to today. He’s supposed to come over on Tuesday so we can work through the details, so I thought I’d try to get my thoughts out on paper to figure out what we need to accomplish, and what sounds reasonable.
Let it be known that I don’t think anyone committing to painting several hundred models for anyone at any price is reasonable. Yes, I know Cole will read this, and I’m more than willing to give him an out before he commits.
Anywho, we’ve already sent a few emails back and forth on the subject and what seems to be the baseline for the deal is:
- Models should be exchanged in roughly 1:1 fashion, with larger ones counting for multiples
- He’s looking for WHFB (not 40k), specifically Chaos, Daemons, Beastmen, Chaos Dwarves, Lizardmen, and Skaven/Ogres are also possibilities (though practically speaking, for me to do this, Skaven are a must-include, since I don’t have much/any of most of those armies)
- He has a full-time job, goes to school, and a family, so timelines have to be flexible.
- It’s an all-or-nothing proposition. I don’t want half of the army painted, so he’d have to commit to painting everything.
With that in mind, I had to do a couple of things on my end to prepare, including counting up both my Orcs & Goblins, as well as acquiring enough other models to make this even remotely possible.
Despite not playing WHFB since 4th edition (which was from 1992-1996, for those whipper-snappers in the audience), I started picking up some goblin lots from the 7th edition starter: The Battle for Skull Pass. When I did play WHFB, I had a Dwarf force, Undead force, and a Goblin force, and knew that if I was ever to get back into the game, it’d be the greenskins (specifically night goblins) that’d draw me back, and I was buying lots for $.25 each or so. I figured that even if I never played with them, I could at least get my money back out of them one day.
Anywho, I knew I’d picked up 7-8 sets of those, and another goblin army off some guy locally, plus various units off ebay over the years, which meant at least 500 goblins that would need to be painted, and I had nowhere near that many other WHFB models to trade.
So, I wound up picking up two more lots of Skaven/Chaos from local gamers. One was a purchase for $150 (I think), that also included some River Trolls that would need to be painted), and another was a trade for a massive amount of Skaven for some Marine stuff I had kicking around (expect another blog post about this trade shortly). When added to the lot of Skaven I’d traded from Brandon a few years back (that doesn’t look like it ever got a blog post), I might be close.
I wound up spending the morning taking inventory, and came up with the following goblin models:
- 420x Goblin Infantry
- 6x Trolls
- 14x Goblin Chars
- 70x Spider Riders
- 6x TeePee
- 1x Games Day Orc
- 1x Grumlock & Gazbag
- 3x Gamezone Fanatics
- 1x Orc Character
- 1x Finger Goblin
- 1x Snotling Pumpwagon
- 37x Black Orcs
- 15x Squigs
- 9x Fanatics
- 3x Fanatics
- 1x Grom’s Chariot
- 1x Giant Squig
- 1x Goblin Spearchukka
- 60x Night Goblins
- 40x Goblin Infantry
- 1x Trolls
- 2x Goblin Chars
- 10x Spider Riders
- 1x TeePee
- 14x Trolls
- 1x Skarsnik & Gobbla
- 2x Metal Chars
- 1x Giant Spider
That’s a total of 723 models (more than I’d originally thought), the vast majority of which are from the Battle for Skull Pass set. In addition, there are a bunch of painted models that would need to be touched up to match the paint scheme—but since those are already painted, I didn’t include them, hoping that they could just be touched up to fit in, and not have to be stripped—which would actually make them harder to paint.
For trade, I have the following:
- 120x Skaven Clan Rats/Slaves
- 11x Skaven Characters
- 8x Skaven Mortars
- 8x Skaven Rat Ogres
- 15x Skaven Characters
- 100x Skaven Clan Rats/Slaves
- 60x Skaven Clan Rats/Slaves
- 50x Skaven Clan Rats/Slaves
- 50x Skaven Clan Rats/Slaves
- 12x Skaven Mortars
- 20x Skaven Storm Vermin
- 20x Skaven Plague Monks
- 30x Skaven Plague Monks
- 20x Skaven Storm Vermin
- 28x Skaven Giant Rats
- 3x Skaven Warmachines
- 15x Skaven Rat Ogres
- 10x Warriors of Chaos Chaos Knights
- 2x Warriors of Chaos Warmachines
- 36x Warriors of Chaos Footmen
- 2x Lizardmen Skinks
- 5x Demons Juggernauts
- 1x Demons Balrog
- 1x Demons Lord of Change
- 8x Demons Bloodletters
- 10x Warriors of Chaos Hounds
Like I said, most of this is Skaven, and a good deal of those are from the Isle of Blood sets. It’s a total of 645 models, so there are fewer of these than goblins, but there are also a good deal of larger/more expensive models—but the question is how to account for those. Is there enough to make up the difference?
So, things that I think we need to figure out when we talk:
- Are these balanced? Maybe we can come up with a ratio that would explain what the equivalent in goblins is for larger models? Perhaps something like calvary being 2 models, 40mm bases being 4 models and large warmachines being 16?
- What level of quality would be expected? I’d definitely suggest a single test model be done to make sure we’re on the same page. Ideally, I’d love to see squad markings of some sort to differentiate them.
- What’s the timeline for completing everything. Originally he suggested “a couple of months,” but that really doesn’t seem realistic at this scale. Is 6 months enough? I’d almost believe that “before the end of the year” is as stringent as we could get…
- What happens if he doesn’t complete them in time?
- Who holds the models during the process? Do I give him all of the goblins up front? Would he prefer it in waves? Does he get all of the skaven/chaos up front or in parts?
- I’d also like to have some unit fillers made. I suspect that I wouldn’t even have to buy models to make this happen, but could use some of the ones I have in the boxes. So, ideally, I’d like to work a solution wherein I get some time to build some of these into nice little unit fillers. Yes, I realize that unit fillers seem stupid in a 700 model force, but I really like the character they add…
- Should I even do this? I mean, 600+ GW models should fetch a good price if I just sold them online. Is it really worth whatever that money to have a painted army for a game that I don’t play? (I know that’s part of why Cole is considering this though, as he could goad me into playing WHFB if I had a completely painted army)
- Should Cole even do this? That’s an absolutely huge commitment… I know that I certainly wouldn’t do it if I were him. Then again, I’m nowhere near as fast a painter, and I don’t enjoy it all that much.
Anywho, those are the thoughts I’m mulling over. Anyone else have thoughts on the matter?